The title sure sounds pretty heavy. Don’t let it scare you away. First, a brief reminder… the underlying theme of all the articles I write here is that there is a direction to life… that things are evolving and that evolution has a positive direction… that within evolution’s “arrow” there is free will choice which leads to an infinite variety of experiences…some of these experiences, we label positive, others negative, but the general direction of evolution is ever upward and higher… therefore, my continuous hope is that you take from these writings the reminder that you live in this upward evolutionary spiral of life, that you see the interconnectedness and value of all levels of this spiral, and you understand the role you play through your thoughts, words and deeds to move your self and the collective in a positive direction towards our return to our realization of oneness. Whew!
So here’s the connection I want to make today… as humanity evolved in its consciousness, so did its picture of what God or Spirit is. Then, as our concept of God or Spirit evolved, so did our form of prayer… prayer being our way of communicating and experiencing the divine. This is not necessarily a new concept, of course, but an interesting connection for me is that if we step back and see the complete unfoldment, it shows us the direction we are heading as we continue to evolve.
Let’s quickly look at the evolutionary path of humanity using Spiral Dynamics memes as the underpinnings. (As always, more detail about Spiral Dynamics is available in other articles or links on the website.) When early humanity crossed the threshold in consciousness to the level of becoming self-aware, our ancestors lived off the land and sought basic survival (beige meme). In time they began to see the value in living together in clans (purple meme). At this level of consciousness, our ancestors were in tune with the passing of seasons and their interconnectedness to nature. Their view of God was one of magical powers rising out of a nature world. Their prayers came in the form of seasonal rituals, full of music, rhythm and dance.
As humanity evolved, individuals developed strong personal egos and sought power. This gave rise to the survival of the fittest, kings with their servants, tribal leaders with their followers, the haves and the have-nots (red meme). At this level of consciousness, our understanding of God grew out of “gods in nature” to the gods that were behind nature to a pantheon of gods ruled by one God (such as Zeus). Our new view of God brought a new way to honor him… temples and monuments, gifts and offerings, sacrifices.
The sense of inequity at the tribal level led to a new level of consciousness where humanity sought order and structure and rules. Here we sought meaning and purpose in living and attributed a divine plan that was beyond our comprehension to explain life (blue meme). Our new view of God shifted from one powerful God who ruled other gods to simply being one God. This God communicated to us through tablets with rules, sacred texts with laws, through others who claimed to be our intermediary. We prayed to this God through prayers of petition, asking for favors and intervention in our lives.
The Enlightenment brought the rise of science and rational thought. Humanity shifted its view of the world to sensing it as a machine that we could learn to control for our own benefit. Competition, technology and material abundance (orange meme) brought with it a sense that the old man God in the sky was a myth we needed to release. God is dead. Prayer is an outdated superstition.
Material wealth did not satisfy us and we sought meaning in community and relationships. We began to explore consciousness itself, turning inward to find meaning. We believed that everyone was equal, and the earth was here for all of us to share (green meme). We released dogma and sought to become spiritual but not religious. God was resurrected but not as an external being. God became a “unity”, a unified field of energy, and underlying intelligent force that pervaded everything. How do you communicate with an intelligent field of energy? You direct its flow as it moves through you. You see the power in your thoughts and consciousness and consciously work to direct that power. As your development had just come through the level of science and reason, you attempt to apply logic to your prayers to convince yourself and shift your belief. Prayer is now an affirmative statement of truth placed into the infinite field of possibilities, collapsing the quantum uncertainties in the desired direction.
People new to New Thought teachings such as the Science of Mind generally resonate with applying logic and reason through a predefined five-step prayer process. Ernest Holmes called it “argumentative” prayer, as we argue with our own minds to convince it of the truth. The five steps take us from identification with the external world of matter to an inward world where we sense the interconnectedness of everything, the power embedded in it, and our ability to direct that power. Through connecting with Spirit, stating our truth, sensing gratitude and releasing our awareness “into the flow”, we convince our logical minds of the truth and power of our prayer. Our emotional certainty is seen as a critical factor in directing this flow.
By now you’ve probably stopped and considered where you are in this evolutionary process. In 21st-century America, most of us fall in one of three general categories, in our belief of God and prayer. Either (1) God is an external being to whom we pray; (2) God is a myth and prayer is superstition; or (3) God is an intelligent power that we can tap via our consciousness.
Robert Wright outlined in great detail how our view of God has changed in his recent bestseller, “The Evolution of God.” There were several key points that he made that are worth listing here…. God doesn’t evolve, we do; our perception of God changes as our cultural needs change; and there is a continuous direction towards positive change over time.
In fact, Wright sees this positive trend as potential evidence of a divine power when he says: “If history naturally pushes people toward moral improvement, toward moral truth, and their God, as they conceive their God, grows accordingly, becoming morally richer, then maybe this growth is evidence of some higher purpose, and maybe — conceivably — the source of that purpose is worthy of the name divinity.”
So where then is this evolution taking us? How is our perception of God continuing to evolve? How is our method of communication with the divine growing? Both mystics and Spiral Dynamics point in the same direction.
Joel Goldsmith, founder of “The Infinite Way”, gave a lecture in 1959 where he outlined this evolution of prayer we have been discussing. He said, “Most in orthodox religion still use pagan forms of prayer, which came to them when their churches were first founded, and their own forms of prayer had not developed: they used the prayer of petition… these ancient paganistic forms of prayer were the only forms of prayer the church had to work with… there is nothing wrong with these forms of prayer, anymore than there is anything wrong with our form of treatment… it isn’t a question of right or wrong, it is a question of the degree of consciousness. Because we are in a human state of consciousness at the moment, it is necessary that we start our prayer work with words and thoughts. In the metaphysical world these are called treatments; in the mystical world they’re called realizations. The attainment of harmony is never accomplished by words or thoughts… they are but the introductions, the aids, given to bring us into an atmosphere where words and thoughts are no longer necessary to lift us to an inner communion through which God’s grace reaches us.”
Ernest Holmes also spoke of this evolutionary process. He advised us that “God comes to us as we come to him” meaning that how we see God and communicate with God depends upon our consciousness. “God is not a becoming God. God is not an evolving God. God is that which was, is, and will remain perfect, complete, happy and harmonious.” Again, God is not evolving — humanity and its perception of God is evolving.
As stated, Holmes taught an argumentative style of prayer designed to shift our consciousness. In other words, he gave us a method to meet us where we were in our awareness (desiring logic and reason and applied science). He also taught another method called “realization”. In this method, you did not need convincing, you went straight to the truth. He defined realization as turning “to that Living Presence within… recognize It as the One and Only Power in the Universe, unify with it.” He added, “there is a point in the supreme moment of realization, where the individual merges with the Universe, but not to the loss of his individuality; where a sense of the Oneness of all Life so enters their being that there is no sense of otherness.”
Spiral Dynamics tells us that humanity is making a great leap in consciousness. As we step into the second tier of awareness, we are able to see the entire spiral below us and value each level and stage as being necessary for our perfect unfoldment. We see the interconnectedness of all of nature, we understand its natural systems and flows (yellow and turquoise memes). We begin to see our individual self is part of a greater Self… the conscious, spiritual whole… where everything is part of one great living system… where we value all religions and all spiritual paths, seeing their necessity to bringing us to this point on our journey… where we live and wonder, awe, unity, harmony and love.
My wish is that as you have read through this, you have stepped outside our evolutionary path for a moment in your awareness and witnessed it from a higher level where you can see its beauty and perfection and view where you are along the road. Hopefully, you have glimpsed both the path you have walked spiritually and the road that lies ahead. Evolution’s arrow is returning us all back home. Our consciousness is evolving back to unity with the divine. Your next step calls you. Surrender to your evolution.
Mark


You talk about conciseness, and reference a lot of people.
You never referenced Jesus Christ and what He said.
You reference the created and not the Creator.
Where do you suppose consciousness comes from?
Consciousness doesn’t come from Ernest Holmes or anyone else.
This “intelligent field of energy” doesn’t come from anything man made.
It is supernatural.
You are giving too much credit to man.
You said “In 21st-century America, most of us fall in one of three general categories, in our belief of God and prayer. Either (1) God is an external being to whom we pray; (2) God is a myth and prayer is superstition; or (3) God is an intelligent power that we can tap via our consciousness.”
People can believe these three hypothesis.
But at the end of the day, we die. Then we will know the truth.
You said one thing right. God does not evolve.
God couldn’t evolve. If He had to evolve then He would have to seek something higher than Himself to evolve into, which would mean He would have to have a God to evolve towards to make Himself more perfect.
You defining who God is, suggests that you know the mysteries of God.
You in fact are making yourself God by doing this.
All your going by is what you think and what other people have to say about God.
That simply isn’t enough. We can’t define God by human standards. Since we cannot control our inevitable death, we don’t have the authority to “define God”, because we are not God.
So in essence, what makes your theory any better than a 10 year old child’s theory?
Your guessing!
Your full of statistics and sources.
Humble yourself.
There is one God, and you know nothing about Him.
Read God’s message.
Thank you, Michael, for your post.
Although I am responding to your note here, I understand what you are saying and what you believe and I am not trying to get you to change your faith in any way. However, you raise several points that I think we can all benefit from exploring.
You said, “You never referenced Jesus Christ and what He said.” You are right, I did not. I did not reference many other spiritual teachers as well, such as Buddha or Mohammed, who are also very important to vast numbers of people. I recognize by your note that you most likely believe that Jesus is the “Son of God”, hence Jesus is “God” and, again, I honor you for your faith. Obviously, that is not by belief. In my view, Jesus was a great example to what we could aspire, not an exception to which we must pray.
You stated that I “reference the created and not the Creator. Where do you suppose consciousness comes from? Consciousness doesn’t come from Ernest Holmes or anyone else.” I agree with you. In other articles, I spend more time talking about the source of Consciousness. Consciousness is imbedded in everything by Spirit. The consciousness that is within us came from God or Spirit. God or Spirit is pure infinite intelligence or consciousness. This “field” is inherent in all by way of God, not by anything that humanity created. Mankind uses the field, but did not create it (I don’t believe I said that we did).
Regarding the 3 worldviews into which we all fall, I recognize that you identify with the first of the 3. You say that we will know the truth when we die and although that may be true, mystics through the ages have offered us that the truth can be known now in this existence.
You stated that by defining who God is, I am making myself God. Depends on what you mean by “God”. Again, I recognize that the God you say I am making myself into is your definition of God…an external all powerful being. I certainly do not see myself as God as you envision God. Yet, if one can expand their horizons to see God as an infinite intelligence and power that is imbedded in everything, then we can sense that both you and I are “of God energy and intelligence”. God or Spirit flows though us giving us divinity, but neither one of us are “The God” of your belief.
Again, I truly do thank you for your comments even though we will have to agree to disagree. I am not seeking to change your mind or your faith, however I believe all of us can benefit by seeking to understand each other and honor each other’s beliefs.
Mark
It’s refreshing to have a civil debate without all the expletives.
I appreciate that.
You picked up on my faith in Jesus Christ.
I’m not going to thump your head with the Bible.
You know where I’m coming from.
I think we differ on the definition or origin of this field of intelligence or consciousness.
You stated that “Depends on what you mean by “God”. Again, I recognize that the God you say I am making myself into is your definition of God”.
This is my point, and you helped me with it. Correct me if I’m interpreting this wrong, but if your suggesting that my God is different from yours, then your suggesting there is more than one God. (you may be saying to yourself, “no all I’m saying is there is an intelligence out there) I’m just guessing you thought that, if I’m wrong I apologize.
Two points:
First, Intelligence doesn’t come from nothing, it needs a source.
no more than a salad can be made without a salad bar (you get my point).
Second, we all can’t have our own individual god.
I’ve talked to people and even friends. We may dabble on the topic of God. Someone dies in a robbery. (inevitably), “How could God let this happen?” or “My God wouldn’t let that happen”.
How can we have our own God?
I say my god is bigger than your god.
What sense does that make?
You have a soul, encased in a flesh body.
This intelligence or consciousness you speak of (which I agree), has to have a source.
Do you agree or disagree that this universal consciousness has to have a source?
Mike
I want to address one more thing you mentioned.
You said “I recognize by your note that you most likely believe that Jesus is the “Son of God”, hence Jesus is “God” and, again, I honor you for your faith. Obviously, that is not by belief. In my view, Jesus was a great example to what we could aspire, not an exception to which we must pray.”
You said you don’t believe Jesus is the son of God.
You also said Jesus was a great example to what we could aspire.
Think of what your saying.
Please indulge me for a moment.
I’m going to get a little biblical on you but please consider what I’m saying.
Jesus said “I am the way and the truth and the life. No one comes to the Father except through me. If you have seen me, you have seen the Father. I am the Alpha and the Omega, the first and the last. I knew you before you were born”.
You said that Jesus is someone who was a “great example to what we could aspire to.”
These are your words.
Jesus declared Himself to be equal to God.
If Jesus isn’t who He said He is, then He is a liar.
If you think Jesus is a liar, then why would you be aspire to be more like Him?
Why would you aspire to be a liar?
Jesus is either who He said He is, or he is the biggest liar in the history of the world.
According to you, we can wipe out the entire New Testament, but you aspire to be like Him. How can this be?
Mike
Mike,
Thanks again for asking your questions ensuring clarity for all.
I am in no way suggesting that there is more than one God….what I am saying is that throughout time, as humanity as evolved in their consciousness, their perception of God has changed. That is the point of Robert Wright’s book, the point I was citing in both Joel Goldsmith and Ernest Holmes. There is only one God or Spirit but there are multiple views on what that one God is.
Hence, when individuals have discussions about whether God does or does not exist, then we have to stop and say “how are you defining God?” If your definition of God is an external being who exists outside its creation, then I would say that God does not exist. If your definition is of a power, a presence, an intelligence that moves in and through everything giving it its existence, then I would say that God does exist. In theological terms, this latter definition is called ” Panentheism”.
When you say “How can we have our own God? I say my god is bigger than your god. What sense does that make?” ….I agree with you. We do not have our “own God”, having “our own God” implies something that is separate and apart from everything and everyone…. as God is in everything and everyone, then we are all “of” God, sharing Its power, wisdom and love equally. What is being described in my article is not that we “have our own Gods”….it’s that we have our own view of what God ultimately is.
Therefore, there is not more than one God….but God is in everything and everyone. In my view of God or Spirit, It is in you and It is in me. I am not making me something that you are not. The God in me is not “bigger” than it is in you. We are all born of and exist by way of the Divine energy. Mystics who have been able to expand their awareness beyond the bounds of their limited consciousness have been telling us this for eons. A critical mass of humanity is now catching up to their insights as our consciousness has grown.
Asking “where intelligence comes from” is like asking “where God comes from”. The intelligence is an essence within the Divine/God that has always existed and will always exist.
To your second note, you point to this frequently quoted passage from the Bible: “I am the way and the truth and the life. No one comes to the Father except through me. If you have seen me, you have seen the Father. I am the Alpha and the Omega, the first and the last. I knew you before you were born”.
Your interpretation is that Jesus is saying he is God in that statement. Most traditional Christians interpret the statement that way. That’s a logical interpretation if “God is external”. I honor that this is your faith.
But there is a more mystical interpretation that takes it in a different direction, that comes from the view that “God is in All”. I am going to keep it brief in my explanation here although others have gone to great lengths to explain the alternative interpretation.
In this alternate interpretation…..When Jesus says “the Father” throughout the Bible, he is not referencing an external God separate from him, he is referencing the Divine power that flows through him. Hence, if you have “seen me”(that is, truly seen who I am in my pure essence–Divine Spirit, not “seen me, Jesus the person”) , then you have seen this Power. When he says “I am”, he is referencing this flow, this Christ Consciousness that resides in all of us. Hence, when he says “I am the way”, he is saying that getting in touch with this Divine flow within all of us is the way to seeking the wisdom and power of the Divine. Another way of saying this is that we look outside ourselves for the “Father” (Spirit/God), but we really need to look inside ourselves. In other words, “the Kingdom of Heaven is within”.
Therefore, with a different view of what God is, there becomes a new view of the beauty and truth in the Bible. There is not a need to “wipe out the New Testament”, simply a need to read it with a different lens. Now, I recognize that there are people who will read my words and say “you can’t interpret the Bible, it was the word of God handed down to us.” For anyone who had that thought, I would simply point out again that your view of the Bible as the inherent word of God flows out of your definition of an external God.
So again, I honor you on your path and the meaning it gives you. My true hope for all the world is that we can all open our eyes to the compassion of understanding the beliefs and faiths of others….when necessary to agree to disagree on what we believe….but ultimately to honor and respect the path that others see as Truth for their lives.
Blessings,
Mark
When you say that Jesus is saying “When Jesus says “the Father” throughout the Bible, He is not referencing an external God separate from Him, he is referencing the Divine power that flows through him. Hence, if you have “seen me”(that is, truly seen who I am in my pure essence–Divine Spirit, not “seen me, Jesus the person”)
Read the scriptures. Your putting words into Jesus’ mouth.
He clearly said “If you have seen me, you have seen the Father”
Who are you to say who He was referencing?
Where you there when He said this?
Your source of mystics and any other man made source, makes Jesus’ case.
You said:
“This Christ Consciousness that resides in all of us. Hence, when he says “I am the way”, he is saying that getting in touch with this Divine flow within all of us is the way to seeking the wisdom and power of the Divine. Another way of saying this is that we look outside ourselves for the “Father” (Spirit/God), but we really need to look inside ourselves. In other words, “the Kingdom of Heaven is within”.
O.K. Your saying these things.
Christ didn’t say this in the bible.
You say: When Jesus says “the Father” throughout the Bible, he is not referencing an external God separate from him, he is referencing the Divine power that flows through him. Hence, if you have “seen me”(that is, truly seen who I am in my pure essence–Divine Spirit, not “seen me, Jesus the person”) , then you have seen this Power. When he says “I am”, he is referencing this flow, this Christ Consciousness that resides in all of us. Hence, when he says “I am the way”, he is saying that getting in touch with this Divine flow within all of us is the way to seeking the wisdom and power of the Divine. Another way of saying this is that we look outside ourselves for the “Father” (Spirit/God), but we really need to look inside ourselves. In other words, “the Kingdom of Heaven is within”.
Oh, you know that? You know that Christ is not God?
You know what Christ was thinking?
You know that Christ was just trying to reference the flow?
Your making human determinations.
How about heavenly determinations.
Where does Jesus say that we should just look into ourselves?
I read that He was pretty straight forward.
It seems that your looking for any excuse not to believe him.
Why?
Is it because if you did actually believe Him you would be convicted?
Ask yourself: “If I believe, literally in what Jesus Christ said, am I convicted in my sins?”
In the new testament Jesus was quite clear in His teachings.
If you read the new testament, you would know that Jesus was straight forward. Why is it that you deny Him?
You seem to try to complicate Him. Have you ever read the Gospel of John?
Can’t you just take His word at point blank?
Jesus is not confusing. He is not trying to make us second guess Him.
He didn’t come to this earth to have us debate what He really meant.
Your so into mystics, and sources.
Why can’t you just read the scriptures and take it at face value without twisting everything to make yourself feel better?
If Jesus wanted you to fill you with all kinds of different hypotheses to debate amongst yourselves, then He would have told us to do that.
He made it clear.
You still didn’t answer the question.
If Jesus lied when He said He was God, then why would you aspire to be like Him?
Or are you afraid of Him? Jesus is not complicated.
He is truthful and straight forward. Think heavenly, not earthly.
Hey Mark,
Outside of what we are talking about,
I just want you to know that I come in friendship.
I’m up for a good debate, nothing personal.
You seem like a personable guy.
Thanks,
Mike
Mike,
Thanks for the kind comments. I appreciate your posts and the discussion. I can tell that you are strongly anchored in your faith and I honor you for that.
In response to your post, I am going to take it back to my original article for a moment. In our culture there are 3 broad worldviews held by most of our society……I am using labels that have been used my many scientists and philosophers….the traditional (blue meme) view, the modern (orange meme) view, the post-modern (green meme) view. Each person who sees the world from that view generally is unaware that beneath the level of their beliefs is this worldview structure that colors “how they see life”. Then they get into discussions with folks who hold a different worldview structure who are also generally unaware of their own structure. These people then end up talking with one another and cannot seem to agree on things….they simply cannot see how the other person sees life like they do.
The intent of many of my articles is to point to this dilemma. If they can begin to glimpse that maybe the reason that we see life so differently is because of these structures, and then if they begin to see how they are playing out in the creation of their own beliefs, then it opens them to seeing the validity of the other person’s beliefs….and then they can begin to honor each other where they are….they release judgment…they release the need to change the other person…..they release the need to make them see things the way they see things….
This higher level of awareness is called second tier consciousness in Spiral Dynamics…..in Integral Theory it is called “integral consciousness”…and, the point is not to change anyone’s beliefs….the point is to bring into their awareness the structures which are impacting their life view and the views of others…then we can see how the beauty of this evolutionary path is unfolding, that all worldviews serve a purpose. This ability to see outside of one’s own worldview and see and honor the validity of those other views is only held by a small percentage of our population….it is my belief that this is where humanity is going and that as we move there, we will see more peace, love and understanding on the planet.
As stated in my original article, in each of the levels people will look at these things differently—God…consciousness…..prayer. Although my article did not get into it, you can add to that list how one views sacred texts such as the Bible, the Koran, the Gitas, and others….their interpretation will also be colored by their worldview. One with a traditional worldview will look at their sacred texts such that it was something handed to them by this external God with laws and strict guidance on how to live their lives. The interpretation of the texts at this level of awareness is not seen as an “interpretation”….how can it be as it was “given to us by God”? (Again, the external being God). They point at the words and say “see, here is says this and how can you disagree with this?” all the while failing to see that it is this view of life that forms the underpinnings of that question. We see this stalemate going on in the mid-east….”my truth (the Torah) is the Truth”….”no, my truth (the Koran) is the Truth”. Traditional view vs traditional view and no one willing to back off and see the validity in the others view.
And this is not to even get into the “debates” which are more “talking at one another” between Christian believers and materials scientists….the latter pointing out all the reasons that holding to a strict literalist Bible interpretation is incorrect (local political impact for how the Bible was molded through time such that many books were left out, other books altered, passages changed to meet their political needs at that time….the evidence for inadvertent alteration by way of the early monk copying process before printing presses….the need to look at the writings from the context of the culture in which they were presented….the issue with translating from the original languages….etc etc). To be very clear….my point here is not to debate the validity of the Bible….my point is how can these groups ever see eye to eye? They can’t when they fail to see how each other’s view is correct for how they view life. Personally, I see great beauty in the Bible and many truths we can learn from it, but as I am sure you realize, I don’t hold a strict literalist interpretation but at the same time can understand and honor those who do.
I have a lot of friends who hold all of these worldviews…..I have many Christian friends who believe as you do……I have many “modern” worldview friends who deny God altogether….I have many “post-modern” friends who seek to meld science and spirituality but deny the validity of many cherished truths of our culture’s traditional Christian faith….whenever possible and appropriate, I encourage all of them to see how their structures and life view is creating invisibly what they cling to so desperately. We are all called to seek first to understand the other person so that we can honor them and love them.
Again, thanks for your post….yes, I recognize that I did not address your post “point by point”….rather I attempted to show that the questions you pose and the statements as to what you hear me saying that you disagree with come from our basic differences in worldview….one of those “agree to disagree” moments that allows us to honor the others view of life….you too seem like a very reasonable and nice person open to looking at life broader while deepening your faith at the same time. Blessings to you.
Mark
I want to get back to you on this.
I have had a very busy day today.
I will get back to you tomorrow, because I am
totally drained right now.
I would like to respond to you.
Have a good night.
You continue talking about philosophers and feelings, and vibes, and energy fields.
I read your last statement. You reference everyone but God.
You sound confused, talking about Spiritual dynamics, and “traditional views”.
Have you ever heard the term “Moral relativism”?
Everything is relative. Which basically means, whatever you want to believe is true.
I’m going to end this conversation with you.
I want to leave you with this.
I can’t remember the source.
“What we don’t know and cannot do,
Far exceeds what we do know and can do.”
When reality and your belief in reality meet, you may be disappointed.
Jesus Christ said things.
You can believe Him, or not believe Him.
Please consider what He said.
Take care.
Although Mike is ending this conversation and I bless him for the willingness to have this discussion and to be anchored in his faith, for the sake of others who may come and read this thread, I simply want to point out a couple of observations.
We dance a dance here in the US between a “traditional” view held by many that seeks to see all of life as having a rigid order and meaning… here things are more comfortable being seen in black and white terms…. this belief is natural and has served the growth of humanity.
We also dance with many in the “modern” view characterized by striving and achieving, control of the physical world, scientific materialism…which gave rise to the “moral relativism” which Mike mentioned and has been carried forward into much “post-modern” thinking as well…here there is a realization that things are not “black and white” but “depend” upon the circumstances. What is “morally right” in one circumstance might be different in another circumstance. … the development of this belief, too, has served us and grown us on our evolutionary path.
I believe that it is important for all of us to be aware of these worldviews….not that we have to agree with them, but simply so we can understand them and understand and have compassion for all. We live with our feet in 2 worlds….one is this physical world of affairs….the other our spiritual world that is calling us to it…..my point throughout this thread has been that our physical world impacts how we see the spiritual world…..humanity was served by its growth through traditional thinking….seeing God “out there”, belief in black/white right/wrong truths, the denial of our spiritual essence within us and our projection of it on to someone else that we have to “accept”…these beliefs have served us……similarly we had to go through a period of thinking that we could control “out there”, that there was no God, that what is morally right depends upon the circumstances, that we can manipulate and potentially destroy the world for our personal gain…..these beliefs have served us….then we had to go through a period of seeking equality at all costs, of turning inward to find ourselves, of trying to “save the world” while trying to honor everyone’s path and hence not getting anything done….this period of thinking has served us well.
But now we need to go further……we now can move outside these levels of thinking and see the benefit of all of them….to recognize that in the physical world things frequently do “depend upon the circumstances” as we live a life of multiplicity…..but to also remember that there is an inner Truth, there is also an aspect of “ultimate Truth”…..we dance in relativism in the world of form but are being called to a place within us that is beyond relative truth….that place is the world of Unity and Oneness.
So “where is God?”…..God is in this perfect unfolding of these worldviews, God is in the philosophers, God is in the scientists, God is in the religious leaders no matter what their faith, God is in Jesus, God is in you, God is in me, God is in the eternal dance of All. There is no place that God is not.
The mystics and sages of all religious paths have been telling us this for eons. Humanity has now evolved to the point that a critical number are able to see this Truth. We should approach this Divinity in All, not with fear, but with humbleness and awe and ultimately, Love.
Mark
As a former born again Christian, and a person who went door to door for over 20 years trying to save people, I just want to add a few things to this debate.
I no longer believe that Jesus is the only way to God. But I also understand, that a true belief in anything has to come from within. So in truth, I can’t convince anyone that my God is better than theirs. In fact, I am proof that over time most of our beliefs change. 20 years ago, I would be saying to you and others that did not believe Jesus was the only way that you were deceived and could back it with bible scriptures.
What most truth seekers will come to find out over time is that the reason we believed that Jesus is the only way is from just 1 single bible verse. That’s it. Jesus said “I am the way and the truth and the life. No one comes to the Father except through me.
But I now see that scripture can be interpreted in many different ways. So it’s now silly that I ever put my entire belief system on one sentence, when there are hundreds of other scriptures that say many different things about salvation and who God really is. Looking back, it amazes me that I could in fact be so blind. And what makes it all so silly, yes, that is a good word, is that when I try to explain to my born again friends that their belief system is faulty, they just don’t understand. Example: I tell them, according to YOUR Christian belief, that even though now, I don’t believe Jesus is the only way, the fact that one day in time 30 years ago I said Jesus come into my life, means I am saved. period. They don’t see how this makes no logical sense. Yet that’s what they believe. (once saved, always saved)
No, everybody is going to believe what they want to believe. And maybe that’s the way it should be. I’m just thankful, that I now believe in a far bigger God that the tiny one taught by fundamentalist Christianity. And that makes me free at last.
peace out,
donovan moore
editor
spiritnewsdaily.com
PS. I still serve Jesus and think he was in fact God. As are all of us. You can hold both beliefs as true. yes you can.
Thank you, Donovan.
Mark